SCOUT· 46%58m·2026-11-09·News Politics214. What Can The UK Learn From How South Africa Ended Apartheid? (Paul van Zyl)
How can politicians rebuild trust after decades of division? How do you get political enemies to sit down at the same table? What are some of Nelson Mandela's best - and funniest - moments? Alastair Campbell is joined by Paul van Zyl, who served as the Executive Secretary of South Africa's post-apartheid Truth and…
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“I am a Black South African. Heart wrenching listen. Truly. We have come a long way. Never again ❤”
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“What a privilege to listen to Paul van Zyl . What an extraordinary man . He explains the most painful history , with such calm and articulate grace.”
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