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Dwarkesh Podcast — Richard Sutton – Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead end
Scout ratingSCOUT· 37%1h 06m·2025-09-26·Interviews

Richard Sutton – Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead end

Dwarkesh Podcast

Richard Sutton is the father of reinforcement learning, winner of the 2024 Turing Award, and author of The Bitter Lesson. And he thinks LLMs are a dead end. After interviewing him, my steel man of Richard’s position is this: LLMs aren’t capable of learning on-the-job, so no matter how much we scale, we’ll need some…

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